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What are you currently playing?; What video game are you playing right now?
Topic Started: Dec 11 2013, 10:14 AM (143,556 Views)
Derpstrom
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No pleasing some people!!

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Apr 2 2015, 07:20 AM
14 days is pretty good on a first run.

Game gets rough around day 25. You'll need weapons, but the game is so balanced that using weapons are also detrimental, let alone attaining them comes with either some hefty risks or investment.

When it comes to a bartering economy, or just an item economy in general, it's one of the most balanced i've come across: Items are sunk appropriately to create necessities so there's always a need; it wants you to always want everything.
Curious about the 14 days comment. I have two games on the go atm (one on a laptop, the other on a PC) and both are above day 20. Actually my current game just hit day 28 and my character that had a bartering bonus just got sniped :(

You're not wrong about the bartering. It's snowing now though and I really wish I'd collected more water. Costs too much to make now (components for filters AND wood for fuel) and it's worth more as trade... I should have saved. I think my guys will starve soon.

Also a bit confused about the heating. I seem to need 4-5 pieces of fuel just to keep my guys from getting too sick. Is there a trick to using the heater well?
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Went back to Sniper Junction with a fast runner this time. Impressive tiny story component. The noise effects in the apartment block were saddening, atmospheric and great :) Quite liked the change to performing tasks for people rather than just the usual scavenging, stealing and surviving.

Edit : Does anyone know if "This War of Mine" has an end? I got a radio announcement that, I thought, would herald the end of the game however it doesn't seem to have had the desired effect

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Finished watching Heavy Rain. Spoilers ahead.

--That was so comically bad it was good. That was such cheap, dishonest use of unreliable narration. Also if the killer's entire life goal was to find a father who cares enough about his son to sacrifice himself, WHY THE HELL DOES HE TRY TO SHOOT ETHAN WHEN HE'S OPENING THE SEWER GRATE?!

--David Cage can't write women. Or anybody or anything for that matter. Conversation. Thoughts. Basic police protocol. He takes cliches from American movies and makes them worse somehow. He's an anti-genius, which isn't the same as not being a genius.

--But yeah he really can't write women. I was stunned after the girl from BTS' two attempted rape scenes that Madison's FIRST SCENE was a nightmare where three guys break into her house to try to kill her. And then this is never explored further and she does nothing but worry about Ethan all game. Oh, and there's also another attempted rape scene later in the game. David Cage is a creep.

--Ethan's blackouts where he dreams about drowning children? What the hell was that about?

--Weird French children.

Gonna watch Indigo Prophecy. I've gotta say I've enjoyed watching these games for how bad they are.
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Now try to imagine how much more annoying the unreliable narrator trick would have been if you were actually playing the game and controlling that character. Further more, imagine if you went into the game assuming that you might be able to solve the case yourself.
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Apr 10 2015, 11:42 PM
Finished watching Heavy Rain. Spoilers ahead.

--That was so comically bad it was good. That was such cheap, dishonest use of unreliable narration. Also if the killer's entire life goal was to find a father who cares enough about his son to sacrifice himself, WHY THE HELL DOES HE TRY TO SHOOT ETHAN WHEN HE'S OPENING THE SEWER GRATE?!

--David Cage can't write women. Or anybody or anything for that matter. Conversation. Thoughts. Basic police protocol. He takes cliches from American movies and makes them worse somehow. He's an anti-genius, which isn't the same as not being a genius.

--But yeah he really can't write women. I was stunned after the girl from BTS' two attempted rape scenes that Madison's FIRST SCENE was a nightmare where three guys break into her house to try to kill her. And then this is never explored further and she does nothing but worry about Ethan all game. Oh, and there's also another attempted rape scene later in the game. David Cage is a creep.

--Ethan's blackouts where he dreams about drowning children? What the hell was that about?

--Weird French children.

Gonna watch Indigo Prophecy. I've gotta say I've enjoyed watching these games for how bad they are.
Where you watching it? I kind of want to see it now.
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So the reason Ethan has blackouts with nightmares about drowning children is because they scrapped a subplot where the death of Jason, which Origami was present for, creates a psychic link between Ethan and Origami that causes Ethan to blackout and experience Origami's memories whenever he steals a kid.

So if they scrapped this nonsense, why the heck did they leave Ethan's blackouts + drowning children dreams + unexplained origami upon his awakening? By itself it's just a senseless, huge red herring. That's offensively lazy for a game that provides itself on being a movie, and even moreso for a detective story. I assume they left it because they'd already produced Ethan's merry-go-round blackouts plus mentions of the blackouts and couldn't be F'd making new scenes (without the blackouts there's zero reason for the cops to go after Ethan).
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Apr 11 2015, 12:32 PM
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Apr 10 2015, 11:42 PM
Finished watching Heavy Rain. Spoilers ahead.

--That was so comically bad it was good. That was such cheap, dishonest use of unreliable narration. Also if the killer's entire life goal was to find a father who cares enough about his son to sacrifice himself, WHY THE HELL DOES HE TRY TO SHOOT ETHAN WHEN HE'S OPENING THE SEWER GRATE?!

--David Cage can't write women. Or anybody or anything for that matter. Conversation. Thoughts. Basic police protocol. He takes cliches from American movies and makes them worse somehow. He's an anti-genius, which isn't the same as not being a genius.

--But yeah he really can't write women. I was stunned after the girl from BTS' two attempted rape scenes that Madison's FIRST SCENE was a nightmare where three guys break into her house to try to kill her. And then this is never explored further and she does nothing but worry about Ethan all game. Oh, and there's also another attempted rape scene later in the game. David Cage is a creep.

--Ethan's blackouts where he dreams about drowning children? What the hell was that about?

--Weird French children.

Gonna watch Indigo Prophecy. I've gotta say I've enjoyed watching these games for how bad they are.
Where you watching it? I kind of want to see it now.
The Super Best Friends Let's Play. They're pretty funny and offer good criticism and notes along the way.
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Apr 11 2015, 12:56 AM
Now try to imagine how much more annoying the unreliable narrator trick would have been if you were actually playing the game and controlling that character. Further more, imagine if you went into the game assuming that you might be able to solve the case yourself.
Oh, you mean it didn't feel like you were solving the case when Jayden put on his magical, crime solving sunglasses?
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Apr 11 2015, 12:38 PM
So the reason Ethan has blackouts with nightmares about drowning children is because they scrapped a subplot where the death of Jason, which Origami was present for, creates a psychic link between Ethan and Origami that causes Ethan to blackout and experience Origami's memories whenever he steals a kid.

So if they scrapped this nonsense, why the heck did they leave Ethan's blackouts + drowning children dreams + unexplained origami upon his awakening? By itself it's just a senseless, huge red herring. That's offensively lazy for a game that provides itself on being a movie, and even moreso for a detective story. I assume they left it because they'd already produced Ethan's merry-go-round blackouts plus mentions of the blackouts and couldn't be F'd making new scenes (without the blackouts there's zero reason for the cops to go after Ethan).
They had planned on making a number of DLC episodes for the game. One was released that focused on the female protagonist, but no further ones were produced: instead they focused on the PS Move update to the game instead (which I preferred to the original controls). It seems likely that they intended to do one centred around Ethan, which could have answered some of those questions.

With things as they stand though, it was a pretty big dangling thread.
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I hadn't seen the video about those deleted scenes. Here it is for anyone else interested:



The paranormal parts would seem to fit in with David Cage's other work, but would seem a bit weird if everything else in the game was grounded in reality. Knowing that, it really does look a lot more like scenes were simply cut rather than trying to edit them together into a proper narrative.
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Apr 11 2015, 12:38 PM
So the reason Ethan has blackouts with nightmares about drowning children is because they scrapped a subplot where the death of Jason, which Origami was present for, creates a psychic link between Ethan and Origami that causes Ethan to blackout and experience Origami's memories whenever he steals a kid.

So if they scrapped this nonsense, why the heck did they leave Ethan's blackouts + drowning children dreams + unexplained origami upon his awakening? By itself it's just a senseless, huge red herring. That's offensively lazy for a game that provides itself on being a movie, and even moreso for a detective story. I assume they left it because they'd already produced Ethan's merry-go-round blackouts plus mentions of the blackouts and couldn't be F'd making new scenes (without the blackouts there's zero reason for the cops to go after Ethan).
One of the biggest gripes with the game from the community when it was released were all the plot holes (or inconsequential moments to be more accurate). David Cage actually responded to these complaints quoting someone (I wanna say Hitchcock) saying that mystery stories are allowed to have one unexplained piece of evidence present. Not a red herring, just something that leads nowhere and makes absolutely no sense at all. So basically he's not just a talentless hack but a dipshit as well.

I'm being a bit harsh calling him talentless, Heavy Rain did have some redeeming features but the story wasn't one of them.
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If David Cage directed Psycho the killer would kill the shower woman after an attempted rape, Norman's mother's skeleton would be discovered and he'd be found dressed as his mother, and when he says "He wouldn't hurt a little fly," the detective would burst into the room and say "But I would, because it was me -- the real killer!" Norman would kill the detective and marry a female detective who happened to be standing around. FIN.
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David Cage is laughable.

The opening few scenes of Indigo Prophecy was pretty awesome from what I remember. But the story was so bad once it hit the halfway point.
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